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blast off on another epic episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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broadcasting just south of the utah ufo

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ranch my name is ryan

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the paranormal pontificator of the

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airwaves bringing you an epic episode

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today today we have a real treat with

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master hypnotist paranormal investigator

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vincent lourdes he is entertained and

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mystified audiences for over 25 years as

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a subconscious conjurer and host of

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paragnosis

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the paranormal phenomenon the depth of

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his knowledge of the mind and human

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intrigue allows him to approach

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hypnosis and harness it with power as a

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tool within the confines of traditional

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paranormal research with a unique

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approach

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bringing about a new breed of modern

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mysticism mr lords is harnessing the

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subconscious mind of volunteers allowing

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them to examine their five senses and

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perhaps the sixth in addition to being a

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guest on seven episodes of ghost

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adventures with the travel channel

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vincent lourdes has also lent his

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expertise to the most popular highly

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rated locations in utah for ghost

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adventurers as a location

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he is a location scout for ghost

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adventures

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paranosis paranormal is also owned and

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produced by vincent lourdes get ready to

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close your eyes and open your mind using

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the power of suggestion

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vincent goes to all the hottest spots in

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utah and well sees

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what is available to be seen

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and delves into the unseen mysteries of

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to our base camp

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very famous now utah ufo ranch

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been a very interesting area to

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investigate it indeed it's been kind of

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a science project of mine for

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his expert team out

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proved to be very eventful we are going

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to go into that and go into what it is

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that vincent does

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and the research that he has

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using his many talents i would like to

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this amazing conversation

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with vincent lourdes of paranosis

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vincent lourdes welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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how are you

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i am doing great man and i'm so glad

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that you came on the podcast with me

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today i've been wanting to talk to you

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for some time

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just about you know

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everything you do you're involved with

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so much you're involved with uh ghost

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you're a hypnotist you've uh

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more ghost hunts than anybody i know

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matt you know it's it's pretty amazing

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and uh yeah it's so cool um

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i'm really glad to have you on i wanted

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to ask you how you got into all of this

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and and and uh before we go into some

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deeper darker details of what we're

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chatting about what keeps you uh what

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keeps you going

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well first of all let me say i really

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appreciate the opportunity um to utilize

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this platform to to talk and to you know

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bring some awareness to to people that

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listen and so forth so um i guess the

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big question is what got me into all

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is that kind of where we're going to

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subconscious conjurer you're host of the

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paranormal phenomenon perignosis

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which has audiences have loved that for

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understanding of the mind and the

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intrigue and super unique approach

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just what got you into mysticism and

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what started your journey along this

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a circus sideshow

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to what i was doing

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like walking on glass or swallowing a

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sword or eating fire and there's a trick

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to everything i mean there's a trick to

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guitar i mean there's tricks to

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everything but there was no trickery to

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defeating an audience

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a lot of it was conditioning the mind

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you can you know walk on glass or

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walk on coals or some of the stuff that

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the mind is and how the mind is

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in the paranormal really because one

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everything and anything that they set

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their mind to see and so i kind of got

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sideshow business

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back in the day and then as that

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these same principles could be applied

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experience and take on it so it was my

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so i wasn't using it to trick people but

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more along the lines of educate people

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you know everything was up front like if

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i was on stage they could come and

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their third eye and not only use their

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five senses that we've been conditioned

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and see for themselves rather than tell

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or just use the equipment i think our

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bodies and our minds become the best

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tool to utilize does that make sense

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absolutely such a good explanation of

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that and you the locations you've gone i

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but there's so many caves cross

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on ghost adventures and helped them find

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locations that are extremely active

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it's it's pretty cool um

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how you bring this to the public through

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your show paragnosis can you tell

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listeners a bit where they can follow

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paranormosis and where they can follow

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what you have going on

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well anywhere on social media we're just

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at paranosis and then you can also go to

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our website it's a little outdated we're

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shifting that over to a higher vibration

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that you're sharing right now you know

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change anybody's perception beliefs

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um and so you either love us or you hate

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we're we're different than everybody

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because we're not trying to prove this

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stuff is real or not real we're just

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allowing people to come

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every journey as you well know is going

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to be different and every location and

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every experience is going to be

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different for everyone involved even if

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they're going to perceive it through a

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whole different filter based on their

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what they think is real or fake or

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bring this to the masses and allow them

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absolutely unique and i think it's it's

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great what you're doing so to kind of uh

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and perfectly explain another reason we

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are chatting today is something uh i i

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someone that i wanted to take part in an

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investigation in a little base camp

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um science project of sorts known as

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of native american witchcraft and

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definitely a second to none that i've

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ever experienced

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for multiple reasons

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um i don't know where you want to start

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on

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that particular topic because there's so

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much

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yeah for sure um just to give listeners

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inexplicable experiences and super

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frightening events that took place at

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the property

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the ranch

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the

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this base camp is located in uinta

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county

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it is bordering

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what's popularly popularly dubbed as the

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utah ufo ranch due to just the whole

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area having a long history of odd events

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having taken place there ufos

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poltergeist activity and of course

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mutilated cattle unidentified orbs um

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anyway

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pretty much

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anything you can think of has been seen

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by locals in the area and it's difficult

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to obtain evidence um consistent with

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like scientific publication but it has

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been an area of study not only by the us

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government but a ton of other

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researchers and you guys got some really

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great stuff when you went out there and

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uh just tell us kind of more or less how

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the trip went you drove up and and how

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did things go

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so we drove up and we did a tick tock

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live

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we do friday nights and so

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we were granted permission

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to do so in a respectful manner meaning

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we weren't going to bring a lot of

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attention to the fact that we were there

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so we we

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only had it was

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four of us and uh

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one of those being our security detail

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um

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and it's interesting because the

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main stuff we use when we do a

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paranormal investigation

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wasn't reacting the way we thought it

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would because i think we're dealing with

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something a lot more um

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it's a different frequency if you will i

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i believe there's so many portals so we

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went up with the understanding that all

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this gear that we utilize in a normal

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paranormal investigating when dealing

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with ghosts or poltergeists

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this would be

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you know this would surprise us as

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adequate equipment

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however none of that was

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working

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and

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the information we got from

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you know previous research and stuff in

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that area we realized that it was

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probably unlikely that we were going to

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capture anything using cameras

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because a lot of the anomalies were

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happened when

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we weren't recording

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or when we were least expecting it like

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you know setting up camp or or something

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like that so we literally got on site

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five minutes before we were supposed to

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go live at 10 o'clock p.m

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we we did our normal intro

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you know we went on thinking

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you know emf and all this stuff was

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going to start happening emf was high

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for sure no doubt about that but a lot

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of our other equipment wasn't reacting

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and so we didn't know how to respond to

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that so we went up to

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the corner of the ranch which which i

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believe is

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uh

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north

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east the very corner i think there's a

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sign posted that there's

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our ufo activity there and this is about

382
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11 15. we heard some arguing going on

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down in

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a pile of trees i'm sure you're familiar

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with the the area um

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there's that big gully of trees you

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cannot see in it's so thick

388
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we hear arguing so we know there's

389
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people so we tell the viewers that

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that's potential contamination

391
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there might be someone on the adjacent

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property

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but it sounded more aggressive like

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arguing and yelling so we went black out

395
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and as soon as we went black out shots

396
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were fired we didn't know what direction

397
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so our first initial thing was you know

398
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get down

399
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i did have the camera light so the

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camera light was

401
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potentially

402
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a target

403
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but we're not a hundred percent sure if

404
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someone was firing at us

405
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or firing at something that spooked them

406
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because they were yelling

407
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not particularly us like hey i see you

408
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guys

409
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it was more like

410
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yelling trying to to scare something out

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of the tree area

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so

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we duck for cover we start running

414
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towards there's there's the metal

415
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container on the property

416
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next to the shed

417
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for the viewers that might be a little

418
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hard to understand but we start running

419
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to the

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the biggest object that's going to

421
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protect us from

422
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oncoming fire

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three more shots were fired at which you

424
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could hear

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on the feed

426
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the whizzing of

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the bullets um a small caliber probably

428
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22 our security guard

429
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said

430
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once we got up there then

431
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the

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motion perimeter lights on

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space wolf's

434
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fence line started going off which

435
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,160
indicated probably something within five

436
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or ten feet of the fence line causing

437
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those lights to go on so we knew

438
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whatever or whoever was doing this

439
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:36,799
was aware of us and

440
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proceeded

441
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you know around the property line never

442
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,600
to enter onto the property line though

443
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we couldn't see because we had blackout

444
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conditions

445
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we never felt once we got behind

446
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:49,520
that metal

447
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:52,400
uh container we felt we were pretty safe

448
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:55,120
at that point so we

449
00:18:02,070 --> 00:17:57,200
stopped the light immediately went into

450
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:02,080
emergency mode did roll call called you

451
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:03,600
um

452
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,039
and you know

453
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,039
you took care of that

454
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we appreciate that we did feel safe

455
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:11,600
enough to stay on site later that night

456
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:12,799
where

457
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,120
after this all went down

458
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,880
all of our batteries all of our

459
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:19,280
equipment the vehicle that we drove up

460
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:20,160
in

461
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:28,320
we'll just call it the old bigelow ranch

462
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:34,630
their security

463
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,880
started acting up like so

464
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:39,200
they're jumping on four wheelers there's

465
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,760
lights going all over so obviously

466
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,320
something triggered

467
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:46,559
everyone in the area like something was

468
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:49,120
going on people were aware of it

469
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,240
and

470
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:52,559
so we felt safe at that point but again

471
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:55,360
we don't know where we're being fired at

472
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,720
or was somebody firing at something

473
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:00,640
that spooked him and we just happened to

474
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:03,039
be in the area right and that's what's

475
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,039
so freaky about this vincent is often

476
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:09,200
you know this breaking of the rules the

477
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:11,360
problem is we're dealing with uh the

478
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:14,160
very the very nature of the area has

479
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:17,600
a long history of um the trickster or

480
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,559
you know this this being that uses

481
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:22,320
tricks to uh

482
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:24,559
scare people and as you said these

483
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:27,039
people may have had permission to be

484
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:28,480
there and something spooked them in the

485
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trees

486
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,919
and i've had instances where

487
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uh neighbors to the property have been

488
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,679
spooked by things and shot at it but the

489
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:37,039
problem is

490
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,000
this is pretty close proximity i have

491
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,400
the actual audio

492
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,400
um of what took place and i would like

493
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to play that and yeah when i

494
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:48,799
when i received that call man i was

495
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,760
scared for you i did say this uh

496
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,400
coyote prayer that is supposed to help

497
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:55,840
people when they get witched or if

498
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,710
areas of uh when things are going bad

499
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:04,640
and that's really interesting that you

500
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say that because after we talked to you

501
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,400
we were thinking okay

502
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,039
get off property let's go get a hotel

503
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:15,280
down in mike 97

504
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,120
let's get away but there was also

505
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a calmness

506
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and a curiosity that

507
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was provoked so i appreciate that you

508
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,600
said that because

509
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normally

510
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,640
we're trained to just get out of the

511
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area if that's if that's the case but

512
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there was a calmness that came over so i

513
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i

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would

515
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attribute that to that prayer that you

516
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,120
said that's really neat yeah you bet man

517
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,240
it was it scared me as well and um let

518
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me play this audio for listeners so they

519
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,600
can hear it i won't do it too loud and

520
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,280
i've tried to remove

521
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:50,960
any swear words you've got to understand

522
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:54,080
this was a scary situation oh my gosh

523
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yes

524
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right thank you for doing that so the

525
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whole so what you're saying is the whole

526
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,600
clip is probably going to be beat

527
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no

528
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well and you i i mean i think anyone

529
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would have

530
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were all saying under these

531
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circumstances so i think you exhibited a

532
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,880
great degree of intellect and

533
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:17,039
anyway i'll play it i don't think any

534
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,400
swear words are going to come through if

535
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,080
they do this is a warning if you don't

536
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:22,799
like swear words to turn this down here

537
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:56,810
down there

538
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[Music]

539
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[\h__\h]

540
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,240
okay so we can we can definitely i think

541
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,919
that was loud enough that people could

542
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,200
hear

543
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,600
yes that there was something

544
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,559
very

545
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,440
scary taking place and these characters

546
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,840
or these people were intentionally

547
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,919
shooting at something that had either

548
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,000
scared them

549
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,080
how did the conversation go or what you

550
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:29,919
could hear of these individuals that

551
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,320
were in the trees

552
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,960
at first when bennett heard it she's the

553
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:36,720
one that initially heard the

554
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,400
conversation that escalated into

555
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,280
what

556
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,840
sounded like someone yelling at someone

557
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,400
or something that's unclear

558
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,600
but they were like we see you we see you

559
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,520
there's no getting out of this

560
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,919
then you hear me react because you could

561
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,159
see lights like spotlights or

562
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,480
flashlights down in the tree line that's

563
00:23:01,029 --> 00:23:00,080
when i said oh my gosh there's lights

564
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,039
down there

565
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,200
i'm going to go to blackout so i turn

566
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,840
off our light rigs so the only light

567
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,400
would be the phone because we were live

568
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,600
um

569
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:11,280
then i'm like oh my god and then you

570
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:12,159
hear

571
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,080
then we're like okay

572
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,720
get down get down get down and then

573
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,679
about

574
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,679
five seconds after as we're running

575
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,159
towards the container we'll talk about

576
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,679
the container that's another whole

577
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,679
another topic

578
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,080
but then three more shots were fired so

579
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,720
at that point i'm not 100 sure they were

580
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:37,440
firing at us because at that point we

581
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,320
were

582
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,240
out of sight because

583
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,559
it kind of goes down for the viewer or

584
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,000
the listeners it it's a pretty steep

585
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,799
um decline down into a valley where the

586
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,200
trees are so if they're shooting up at

587
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,840
us at that point we're out of we're out

588
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,400
of sight for them

589
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,720
but then three more shots are fired and

590
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,559
then you can't hear it on the audio but

591
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,559
they yell i've got more of that where

592
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,120
that comes from and that's when

593
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:07,039
you know perimeter lights start turning

594
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,520
on in in the property which puzzled me

595
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,080
because the thickness of the trees

596
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,480
down where i'm talking about

597
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,080
you know it's thick you're not just

598
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,679
going to run through those trees i don't

599
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,120
care who you are

600
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,520
unless you're

601
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:25,039
you know out of this world or your

602
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,559
energy or something

603
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,240
whatever triggered those lights i don't

604
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,400
think they were human because

605
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,760
there's no way they could have got from

606
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:33,520
where i saw the light the origin of

607
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,640
light at first within seconds to trigger

608
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,080
your perimeter

609
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,200
uh motion lights your security lights

610
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,919
i don't see how anything could have got

611
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,159
from point a to point b to trigger those

612
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,720
lights out right personally

613
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,480
well and these lights are something that

614
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,200
we should also mention i i you know as

615
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,440
you know i've spoken to the best of the

616
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
best researchers and other than

617
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,440
anomalies in like sedona and the san

618
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,440
luis valley in colorado

619
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,279
it appears that the uintah basin is in a

620
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,279
class all its own when it comes to giant

621
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,640
ufos

622
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,640
ridge lines and the connection to these

623
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,440
other

624
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,440
quote unquote ghost lights as the native

625
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,600
americans call them that wander through

626
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,080
these waterways and fields what did they

627
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:19,200
appear to be to you guys

628
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,559
well first

629
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,799
when we saw the lights first when we

630
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,640
heard the argument it

631
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,799
sounded and looked like

632
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,400
someone's confronting

633
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,440
something

634
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,000
they turned on their lights

635
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,279
um

636
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,919
we also then saw the perimeter lights

637
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,520
i'm assuming they're perimeter lights

638
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,600
only because they they gave off that

639
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,960
much light

640
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,799
are they i don't know i you know the

641
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,640
property better than me

642
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,880
um i don't know on the south

643
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,120
ridge of your property if you have

644
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,360
motion light but it was enough

645
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,200
illumination

646
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,200
to and it kind of had almost a blue glow

647
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,200
to it so maybe they weren't motion

648
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,960
lights i'm assuming that

649
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,520
based on previous

650
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,080
experiences with motion lights that's

651
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,919
that's why i didn't go down to verify

652
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,000
that so that's that's i'm going to leave

653
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,440
that open

654
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,559
but

655
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,320
after the fact and this calmed down we

656
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,720
decided not to go live right away

657
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,720
we did see

658
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,720
orb like lights

659
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,440
all throughout the valley

660
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,720
that would look like drone lights other

661
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,279
than they weren't blinking uh your your

662
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,960
traditional flight pattern lights with

663
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,640
the orange and green

664
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,320
they were blue

665
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,880
singular lights and

666
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,039
they tend to move

667
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,760
almost a speed a laser would but

668
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,679
they looked about the size of maybe like

669
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,159
a small

670
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:46,880
saucer like a plate

671
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,159
so enough enough enough illumination to

672
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,520
illuminate trees or things around it we

673
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,559
saw that

674
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,080
all night long

675
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,760
i don't know the area i don't know what

676
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,799
research is going on in the area but i

677
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,279
can honestly say i've never seen any

678
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,799
being like it

679
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:07,440
nor did the three guests with me

680
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,400
have ever

681
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,039
been able to to say oh yeah that's this

682
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,120
or that's this um

683
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,799
so now that you mentioned the the native

684
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,200
american the the light the orb the

685
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:19,440
anomalies of light

686
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,880
um we saw that afterwards

687
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,720
and so it seems like after whatever

688
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,799
happened whatever was awakened or

689
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,480
confronted

690
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,159
that's when

691
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,279
it got real as far as

692
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,279
evidence and documentation on anything

693
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,480
we could

694
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,480
but our equipment was failing that's the

695
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,120
weirdest part so we started documenting

696
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,120
as you would in a journal like a log or

697
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,760
something like that

698
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,520
fascinating

699
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,720
and then

700
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:51,360
rocks large rocks and i mean it's pretty

701
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:55,039
rocky up there obviously but large large

702
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,320
rocks

703
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,840
were being

704
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,159
heated in our direction

705
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:02,240
with accuracy to the point that it would

706
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,720
get within feet of us but never hit us

707
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:08,159
i don't know if that is that something

708
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,360
that you guys

709
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:11,200
have ever experienced up there we were

710
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,399
going to ask you

711
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,880
that question as a matter of fact you

712
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,880
know that is a really good question

713
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,480
vincent i

714
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,279
recently had an exploration team go out

715
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,520
there other researchers

716
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:25,120
um and

717
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,320
there are

718
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,919
or there appear to be i should say

719
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,000
creatures of every shape and size in or

720
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,840
near that territory

721
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,559
and they gathered video footage of some

722
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,000
creatures that seemed to defy

723
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,440
explanation

724
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,279
in one case

725
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,120
three consecutive frames revealed a

726
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,200
creature that looked

727
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,919
almost wolf-like but then

728
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,760
it there's no way of knowing it's

729
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,919
difficult because as you say it was

730
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,399
throwing rocks and typically

731
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,039
wolves wolves don't throw rocks um also

732
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,440
a bigfoot organization known as crater

733
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:59,760
exploration went out there

734
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,720
and they said yup they had uh thermal

735
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,399
and um

736
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,039
believe that they were on the trail of

737
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,679
sasquatch-like entities

738
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,640
wow it's tough to connect a lot of the

739
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,559
things that happen out there in that

740
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,159
shapeshifter territory to the rest of

741
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,039
the world and not sound crazy but

742
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,200
it it is something that i've learned a

743
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,919
lot that since you know moving

744
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,320
in that area to research the anomalous

745
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,880
activity there kind of goes all over the

746
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,200
map and that freaks me out that you were

747
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,799
having rocks thrown in your direction

748
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,679
and

749
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,120
holy cow

750
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,039
so now this this gets

751
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,120
interesting everybody's seen e.t is the

752
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,760
ball you know comes out of the shed and

753
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,480
then so we thought okay

754
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,760
let's communicate back by

755
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,399
tossing rocks in the same area and it's

756
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,000
weird because

757
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:54,240
i don't know if it was a game or what

758
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,960
but

759
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,200
one would be thrown we all documented

760
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,039
this we all seen it

761
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,520
um and then we would throw one we'd wait

762
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,440
a minute but then it would be thrown

763
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,279
from a different direction

764
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,559
and

765
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,039
for the listeners that might not know

766
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,919
the lay of the land to get from point

767
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,559
from one point of the property

768
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,200
to the other

769
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,200
you would be able to see for the most

770
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,840
part anyone moving around or anything

771
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,200
moving around

772
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,200
but if it was on one of the adjacent

773
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,559
properties

774
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,520
there's thick trees and brush

775
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,080
and so for someone or something to get

776
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:34,720
from one spot

777
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,919
we throw a rock and then seconds later

778
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,320
on the other side which would take a

779
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,399
person running

780
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,880
probably a good three minutes to run to

781
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:47,279
that area and that's if you were on

782
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,159
um

783
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,760
space wolf's property because there's no

784
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,080
trees on the property for the most part

785
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,440
where we were at

786
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,440
um it would take it would take a good

787
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,240
healthy person three minutes to run over

788
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,120
there

789
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,679
and this is seconds later a rock would

790
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,320
be thrown from the other direction and

791
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,880
land in almost the same spot so whatever

792
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,080
it was

793
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,919
was either like a professional baseball

794
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,399
player could throw a rock

795
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,320
with precision

796
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,399
to land within feet of us that not hurt

797
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,559
us or hit us

798
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,320
multiple times throughout the night so

799
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:23,360
it was really weird the accuracy

800
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:28,149
i don't even know how to explain it

801
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,440
other than

802
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,559
wow

803
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,919
i'm hooked you know i i need more of

804
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,440
this and i think i reached out to the

805
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,039
other day saying

806
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,440
when when can we go back up with a whole

807
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,480
different

808
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,399
set of intentions on what we're looking

809
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,039
for but then

810
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,919
on a paranormal like you know ghost

811
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,200
energy

812
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,440
then we started hearing and seeing

813
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,240
things that look like myths and

814
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,440
uh shadows within shadows i mean it gets

815
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,600
very dark up there you can clearly see

816
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:02,320
the stars which was beautiful

817
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,519
but

818
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,480
as black as it gets up there

819
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,760
at night to see black mass moving

820
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,039
through even the darkest of dark

821
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,120
was weird and then you can light it up

822
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:17,600
and nothing's going to be there

823
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,399
but

824
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,720
when four people see the same thing in

825
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,480
the same area

826
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,039
that gives creed to something's there

827
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,799
obviously you know yeah and it's it's

828
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,279
hard to explain to listeners but you'd

829
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:33,120
indians have a long history of

830
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,320
witnessing

831
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,519
unusual flying aircraft and creatures in

832
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,360
the surrounding area

833
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,080
um a family that lived in the area was

834
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,640
terrorized by cattle mutilation six foot

835
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,720
tall bulletproof wolves

836
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,960
devious flying balls of bluish light

837
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,600
craft of every shape and size and an

838
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,000
array of bigfoot-like creatures so i've

839
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,679
witnessed these things so i know that

840
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,279
it's not a hoax

841
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,840
right absolutely it's so hard right to

842
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,840
like describe when you're in the middle

843
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,240
of it all a hundred percent and i mean

844
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:07,120
if it's a hoax it is the world's

845
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,960
grandest hoax ever i don't believe it's

846
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,440
a hoax i've seen it you've seen it i

847
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:16,080
believe anybody that's you know done any

848
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,200
research

849
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,240
on

850
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,760
your property

851
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,440
knows

852
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:24,559
something's there and if not something

853
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,440
many

854
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,440
things are there i don't think you can

855
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,279
pinpoint and say it's this or this or

856
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,679
this because it seems like it's all the

857
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:33,519
anomalies

858
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,640
in one it's it's unbelievable anybody

859
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:38,399
that's into

860
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,519
phenomena

861
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,279
you know the paranormal

862
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,399
this

863
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,679
location

864
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,480
is by far the most charged i have ever

865
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,880
experienced because you will see and

866
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,880
experience

867
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:54,000
a plethora it's not just one thing it's

868
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,039
not

869
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,200
it's everything it's everything in one

870
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,320
it's it's

871
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,320
in to anybody that

872
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,120
it's like you said it's hard to just

873
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:05,440
unless you're there

874
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,960
it's hard to explain it because

875
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,800
it's everything and

876
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,000
anything

877
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,879
and it's all your fears like we every

878
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:16,960
every one of us experience the same

879
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,639
thing but also very personal

880
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,919
things

881
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:23,760
because i believe it's intelligent and i

882
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,800
believe it feeds on and knows

883
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,440
who we are what we're thinking

884
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:31,119
what

885
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,679
to get into our psyche and affect us

886
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,040
because

887
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,919
even bennett when we were striking camp

888
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,119
sunday

889
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,119
in the middle of the day

890
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,440
had stuff happening happened to where

891
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,240
she was yelling out at us thinking that

892
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:50,079
we were playing a joke and we agreed no

893
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,200
one's going to play any joke we're

894
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,040
taking this very serious

895
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:55,440
but this is in the middle of the day at

896
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,560
like 11 a.m on sunday

897
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:00,160
two days after the fact that all that

898
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,520
other stuff happened in the middle of

899
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:02,480
the day

900
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:03,280
like

901
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,160
that's

902
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,400
to me

903
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,839
that's amazing

904
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,599
and and that just sparks that much more

905
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,520
curiosity because

906
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,880
i think it's

907
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:14,880
shape-shifting

908
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,160
into anything and everything that is

909
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,720
unknown that's that's my takeaway from

910
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,160
this is it's

911
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,320
anything and everything and that's

912
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,160
what's so difficult when you encounter a

913
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,720
situation like the one you guys had

914
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,040
because you

915
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:33,040
there's so much going on at the same

916
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,160
time

917
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
yes i mean

918
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,760
you obviously had permission to be there

919
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,520
it's private property that should be

920
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,880
respected

921
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,920
and

922
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,920
the problem is that many people don't

923
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,359
know where it's legal to be and where

924
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,599
it's not and some right you know it's

925
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,280
it's weird

926
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,920
and um there's a lot of speculation

927
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,079
about this and i've seen i've seen

928
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,480
armchair researchers have think they

929
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,240
have nothing to lose go out there and

930
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,320
get arrested i'd ignore that

931
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,640
and at the same time i mean a handful of

932
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,480
kids and a few adults have had charges

933
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,079
pressed against them and gone to jail

934
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,640
sure yeah just for yeah for people

935
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,400
listening it's not a place you just go

936
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:12,640
out at night and start wandering around

937
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,079
right no no no no no

938
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:18,160
i mean

939
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,359
cameras everywhere and i know you guys

940
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,440
are looking for you know

941
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,520
those are cameras

942
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,480
aimed at the sky even like i i mean

943
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,520
but yes for anybody listening

944
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,839
do not just go out there even if it's on

945
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:40,560
a public road and you're driving if you

946
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,970
stop

947
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,079
[Music]

948
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,520
and you could be breaking the law

949
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:46,320
because of the reservations

950
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,680
and b i just don't think

951
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,880
anyone

952
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,359
that's curious should just go up there

953
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,400
because you're dealing with

954
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,880
everything like when we when we went to

955
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,040
start the car just to

956
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,560
to kind of move it closer to where our

957
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,040
tent was in case there was more fire or

958
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,200
we needed to get out in a hurry

959
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,880
even the car

960
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,160
the truck

961
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,760
wouldn't start

962
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,960
our our life our backup batteries our

963
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:17,040
cameras

964
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:22,240
everything was affected which can i talk

965
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,040
about

966
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,920
yeah a container and a little an anomaly

967
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,760
going on that you just recently came

968
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,240
across yeah and by the way that truck

969
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,240
man made me so jealous that red ford

970
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,400
truck you guys had reminded me so much

971
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:35,839
of my last read

972
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,240
you mentioned that i was like oh

973
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,560
[Laughter]

974
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,000
and i think you actually thought you

975
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,520
went through a portal you said when you

976
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,200
saw that on the camera you're like okay

977
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,960
wait a minute i was like what's my truck

978
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,359
doing out there and

979
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,920
it's it's and just to kind of before we

980
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:51,680
move forward just for those that are

981
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,720
speculating about spots and all that

982
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,440
you know it is

983
00:38:00,950 --> 00:38:00,000
so difficult but

984
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,960
these

985
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,839
tribal officers most tribal officers are

986
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,920
the nicest people you will ever meet but

987
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,599
don't try to pull attitude with them

988
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,599
they have federally granted authority

989
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,760
that far exceeds that of standard police

990
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,960
officers

991
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,880
and so if you don't have permission to

992
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,599
be on a property and it's not private

993
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,040
property that should be respected

994
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,280
because it's very checkerboarded out

995
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,800
there and

996
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,359
um anyway moving forward

997
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:28,640
i would say too i mean just just

998
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,520
i mean

999
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,880
a never trespassed period

1000
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,000
but

1001
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,920
the tribal

1002
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,599
people i mean

1003
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,480
respect that that's their land and i

1004
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,680
believe

1005
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,480
respect in all situations first and

1006
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,400
foremost um

1007
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,560
and just don't don't push it like you

1008
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,400
said be respectful

1009
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,720
but like if you're not invited to be

1010
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,480
somewhere out there

1011
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,800
just don't don't don't do it go through

1012
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,920
the proper

1013
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,359
you know channels

1014
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,920
uh like yourself like when when we

1015
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,000
talked and stuff like that but never in

1016
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,920
a million years do i recommend that

1017
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,680
anybody goes

1018
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,040
up there

1019
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,680
first and foremost but anywhere

1020
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,000
be be professional be courteous be

1021
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,400
respectful get permission

1022
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,079
nine times out of ten people will give

1023
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,320
you permission to do things if you ask

1024
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,160
but that's one

1025
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,720
thing i would never test is is never

1026
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,119
mess with you know the native american i

1027
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,160
believe that they are rooted in some

1028
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,560
amazing connections and that would just

1029
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,880
be one thing that like you said just

1030
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:36,320
don't do it

1031
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,359
you know

1032
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,920
totally vincent and man i need to say

1033
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,920
wearing a bulletproof jacket isn't a bad

1034
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,920
idea either i actually do this because

1035
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,520
i've heard similar things to what you

1036
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,520
guys encountered but

1037
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,200
acting responsibly and sticking to

1038
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,280
places you can legally be as you said

1039
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,119
right and i believe that something that

1040
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:55,680
needs to be addressed is the main

1041
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,520
concern that there is security personnel

1042
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,560
nearby and oh absolutely um it's

1043
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,119
treacherous terrain and these personnel

1044
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,880
are there for the phenomena itself if

1045
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,119
you respect law enforcement officers

1046
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,160
tribal officers right security personnel

1047
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,680
they'll be on your side on the other

1048
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,319
hand there is kind of

1049
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,400
well those black suburbans i have no

1050
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,000
idea what those are that's a whole other

1051
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,440
story but let's get back to what we were

1052
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,160
discussing with this container i'll

1053
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,160
kind of go into it a little bit

1054
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,119
and you documented this really well

1055
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,720
there was an event that took place on

1056
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,359
the property a while back and we've been

1057
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,040
doing readings on this particular

1058
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,760
storage container an 8700 pound

1059
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:40,960
container

1060
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,319
and it's magnetized now among other

1061
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,880
strange readings and you encountered

1062
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,240
this yourself when you were out there

1063
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,839
correct

1064
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,599
absolutely

1065
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,680
so you'd kind of told me about that and

1066
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,599
i wanted to see for myself i'm a

1067
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,599
curiosity seeker

1068
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,880
absolutely

1069
00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:00,000
you

1070
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,040
can take

1071
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,200
metal objects

1072
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,520
on a freight container

1073
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,560
and that

1074
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,280
thing is now magnetized

1075
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,240
and as we all know things don't just

1076
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,359
become magnetized i don't care who you

1077
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:17,280
are or what you believe

1078
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,960
nothing just becomes magnetized unless

1079
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,359
something has caused that

1080
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,870
i saw it for myself i put you know now

1081
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:30,960
they put anything i could find i brought

1082
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,520
up stuff just to put on there you want

1083
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,839
to know something weird though

1084
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,920
i have a magnet

1085
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,480
i put a magnet to it and the magnet

1086
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,760
would not stick

1087
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,839
but the magnet would stick to any other

1088
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,319
objects that i touched to it

1089
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,640
i don't know if you've ever tried that

1090
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,640
or if that was just that that was like i

1091
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,400
was curious okay like okay i'm gonna

1092
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,839
bring a magnet

1093
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,240
i'm gonna make sure that the items

1094
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,480
aren't magnetized

1095
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,119
and that it actually was

1096
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,160
the storage container and that sob is

1097
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,000
magnetized

1098
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,520
the items aren't

1099
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,000
like you can try to take two nails or

1100
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,319
two pieces of whatever and put them

1101
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,920
together they're not magnetized but you

1102
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,240
touch them with the the

1103
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,680
storage foot

1104
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,880
container

1105
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,800
and they're magnetized but

1106
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,880
like i said the magnet wouldn't stick to

1107
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,359
it dude and that blew my mind

1108
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,520
that for all our sakes that's quite

1109
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,520
intelligent because that adds another

1110
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,760
angle to the theories about the entire

1111
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,920
situation that's what i thought i

1112
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:36,240
thought okay let's put a magnet on it

1113
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,960
and

1114
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,880
for some reason it rejected the magnet

1115
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,640
okay so you know there's two there's the

1116
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,640
polarity and there's two sides of the

1117
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,800
magnet so that's what i thought so i

1118
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,640
switched the magnet same thing wouldn't

1119
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,680
stick but i would take a nail off it'd

1120
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,960
stick to it

1121
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,599
it would it would hold the nail or the

1122
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,720
screw or

1123
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,240
i guess there was some other pieces of

1124
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,000
metal up there just laying around and

1125
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,079
then i brought tools too to see like

1126
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,160
okay well maybe these items are

1127
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,240
magnetized no anything that's metal

1128
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,520
sticks to that

1129
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,680
but that leads me to the question is the

1130
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,839
magnetism going on

1131
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,280
affecting like our cameras and

1132
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,040
is it affecting your cameras because i

1133
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,720
notice you have cameras all over the

1134
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,920
property

1135
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,160
does it affect your cameras

1136
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,560
it it does at certain times there seem

1137
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,960
to be geological aspects of the area

1138
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,400
that affect

1139
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,040
you know they affect the cameras

1140
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,240
they affect um it's contradictory

1141
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,920
because you'll have witnesses often see

1142
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,520
the same thing at the same time they'll

1143
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,280
ask me to check a camera

1144
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,359
i'll go and check the camera and i will

1145
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:41,520
either see something different or

1146
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:42,480
document

1147
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:48,800
than what they they expected to see on

1148
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,079
the camera

1149
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,040
and um oftentimes with video footage the

1150
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,839
camera will lose what is recorded

1151
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,319
and i mean i've lost hours of footage

1152
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,480
from our cameras which is impossible to

1153
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,480
explain so we just shrug and keep

1154
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:04,560
recording i mean what else can you do

1155
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,880
it's it's really creepy that this force

1156
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,319
which many

1157
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,800
seem to call an ancient force at hand in

1158
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,920
the area um wow it doesn't like to be

1159
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,440
used as a guinea pig right or

1160
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:19,440
participated with but it likes to play

1161
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,400
with you

1162
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,400
right see and that's what

1163
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,599
that going back to what you just said

1164
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,839
now that you you'll see something

1165
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,359
different on the camera than the

1166
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,880
spectator saw

1167
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,560
and that's what was going on with us we

1168
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
all saw similar things

1169
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:37,200
but it also almost was

1170
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,319
favoring

1171
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,839
our own personal fear as if it were

1172
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,359
manipulating

1173
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,760
or personally like entertaining

1174
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,000
for that individual

1175
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,440
in a whole different way but we would

1176
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,200
see the same thing but just experience

1177
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,200
or explain it different

1178
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,200
um and

1179
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,119
we never got any of this on camera we

1180
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,839
had night vision cameras we had

1181
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,640
gopros we had we had probably 15

1182
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,640
different styles of cameras okay we're

1183
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,079
going to get something

1184
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,520
we all saw it

1185
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,480
but none of it was captured with camera

1186
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,920
which means to me it's elusive and it's

1187
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,160
intelligent enough to

1188
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,839
like you said it doesn't want to be a

1189
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,960
guinea pig

1190
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,800
but it'll play it'll it'll peak your

1191
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,440
curiosity it'll get in your head it'll

1192
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,520
mess with you

1193
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,720
it'll wet your appetite and then

1194
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,640
it just it

1195
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,240
i don't know i mean it just leaves you

1196
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,680
wanting more

1197
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,599
because i've never experienced anything

1198
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,000
like this like this is

1199
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,720
so beyond anything that i could

1200
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,520
even try to explain so i hope that

1201
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,079
during this this conversation that any

1202
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,480
of this makes sense because i'm still

1203
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,000
trying to wrap my head around what i saw

1204
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,079
and i'm still trying to document it and

1205
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:54,000
i'm reading my notes and i'm

1206
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,119
it's just

1207
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,280
even to this day

1208
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,440
messing with me and that was you know a

1209
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,440
couple weeks ago and it's still in my

1210
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,040
head i'm still dreaming about it it's

1211
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,760
still affecting me bro 100

1212
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,920
yeah man and i i think you explained

1213
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,160
that so well how it is like a

1214
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,640
mind-induced fear a lot of people

1215
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:15,119
believe it may be military experiments

1216
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,839
but

1217
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,400
the tr the really tough part is that you

1218
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,800
have all of these cases of

1219
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:22,000
people

1220
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,359
american and involved in sweat lodges

1221
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,240
for vision quests and

1222
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,520
one particular case i just heard was

1223
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,359
well i mean it's it these are sacred and

1224
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,599
unique ceremonies and after the ceremony

1225
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,359
had been going on a while

1226
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,680
something went horribly wrong a wind

1227
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,520
swirled inside the sweat lodge even

1228
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,200
though the place is sealed up you know

1229
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,200
buttoned up tight

1230
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,800
and um

1231
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:50,560
the shaman yelled for them to run to a

1232
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,839
larger trailer that was nearby and

1233
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,760
it was believed they were being attacked

1234
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:58,079
by a shape-shifter a trickster

1235
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,040
wow

1236
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,440
and that's the thing these

1237
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:04,000
these items don't seem to kind of fill

1238
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:04,960
in that

1239
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,640
so

1240
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,640
i mean there's multiple things going on

1241
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,160
there has to be and it's it's hard to

1242
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:14,160
make theories about it

1243
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:17,680
100 i'm with you 100 i i think it's an

1244
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,839
ancient force and you keep saying like

1245
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,559
prankster because we never felt other

1246
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,640
than the gunfire

1247
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,040
we never felt in danger

1248
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,880
we felt like we were being watched we

1249
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,359
felt like we were being entertained we

1250
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,280
felt like we

1251
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,440
were it's guinea pigs like okay i'm

1252
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,720
going to test their limits are they

1253
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:41,040
going to run are they going to disappear

1254
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,240
but like when the rocks were being

1255
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,079
thrown when i when i say

1256
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:45,839
rocks i mean some of them were the size

1257
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,559
of a baseball but there was a couple

1258
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,599
that i'm trying to

1259
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:54,240
like the size of uh

1260
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:57,520
i i don't even know like a football

1261
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,800
okay yeah so we're we're we're pretty

1262
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,440
close to like the fire pit and and

1263
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,480
your research like the

1264
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,800
storage facility

1265
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,440
for someone or something to throw a rock

1266
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:14,000
the size of a football which is weird

1267
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,359
because there's not many on property

1268
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,119
other than around the fire pit most the

1269
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:18,880
rocks are smaller

1270
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,800
for something to eat that

1271
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:25,920
from outside of our vision like you know

1272
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,040
our peripheral or where we could see

1273
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,960
that's that's that's kind of big you

1274
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:32,480
know what i mean

1275
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,839
and for it to hit with precision

1276
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,079
we never really felt threatened we

1277
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,839
almost felt like it was

1278
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,520
taunting us or teasing us or

1279
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,880
entertaining us like i said when the

1280
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,640
rods were being shown it didn't feel

1281
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:46,559
like it was aggressive like we were we

1282
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,720
were almost being hit it was almost like

1283
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,240
i don't know how to explain it bro like

1284
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,760
when you go up there you look at your

1285
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,839
thing you'll see a pile of rocks that

1286
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,520
are out of place because i guess it

1287
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,440
rained up there the week before

1288
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,760
so everything's pretty settled as far as

1289
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,240
rocks you can see the rocks that

1290
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000
were around us

1291
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,680
were

1292
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,280
not settled into the ground does that

1293
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,559
make sense yeah yeah so it's recent you

1294
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,480
can tell it's recent and and they all

1295
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:16,079
land within the same area so is that a

1296
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,520
magnetic pull

1297
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,559
is that

1298
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,040
i don't i don't know bro i've i've got

1299
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,760
to get back up there and i

1300
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,920
i beg you

1301
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,559
it's so interesting i know i have the

1302
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,559
same um

1303
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,640
i have the same basic feeling a lot of

1304
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,040
the time and i wanted to ask you after

1305
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,680
your research did you have any anomalous

1306
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,760
activity by chance follow you home i

1307
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,200
mean you mentioned that the vehicles had

1308
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:42,960
some trouble with their electronics

1309
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,000
anything else stand out to you

1310
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,040
you know i i will say

1311
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,040
we went through

1312
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,520
uh what i want to call like

1313
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,680
a time shift so we left at a specific

1314
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:58,319
time because we knew we had to be back

1315
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,470
outside of

1316
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,000
our drive

1317
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,880
that we can't recall

1318
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,520
and we all agreed to it it seems like

1319
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,720
somehow somewhere someway we

1320
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,480
lost an hour

1321
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,440
and

1322
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,359
to validate this

1323
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,079
we drove down we're driving

1324
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,589
all of a sudden we're just above

1325
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,960
strawberry

1326
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,640
reservoir

1327
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,559
and it's pouring

1328
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,720
now all of our equipment's in the back

1329
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,720
of a truck that does not have a shell on

1330
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,240
it and i mean we're talking thousands of

1331
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,960
dollars worth of equipment

1332
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,839
if

1333
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:42,720
we

1334
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,319
have covered our gear

1335
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,800
when we all came to

1336
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,280
we were in the middle of the rainstorm

1337
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,359
everything was sopping wet

1338
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,680
you would think four grown ass adults

1339
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,119
would say hey

1340
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,720
it's raining

1341
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,359
let's pull a gear in let's go under an

1342
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,200
overpass let's pull over

1343
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,800
and prep for this

1344
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:12,160
we didn't

1345
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,520
so

1346
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,520
we lost an hour

1347
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:17,280
whoa

1348
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,040
perfectly explained that is so strange

1349
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,680
and that so i mean our gear we

1350
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,119
some of our gear

1351
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,119
got wet like

1352
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,119
they're in cases granted

1353
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,000
but all of our sleeping gear like

1354
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,920
wouldn't you like okay it's gonna rain

1355
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,359
let's pull over

1356
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:37,040
let's go to this little gas station

1357
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,240
let's let's

1358
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,440
back off

1359
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,079
um so an hour yeah an hour's gone

1360
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,400
and all of our equipment got wet so that

1361
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,920
to me says

1362
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,760
we lost track of something something

1363
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,280
happened

1364
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,119
that we cannot explain

1365
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,400
and we all

1366
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,680
thought like

1367
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,359
was just a micro burst but then you

1368
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,520
looked around and the storm was massive

1369
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,359
it wasn't like it just

1370
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,359
like popped up and oh there's a little

1371
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,800
rain you know it was like a full-blown

1372
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:07,119
rainstorm with lightning and everything

1373
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,240
and

1374
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,640
we do not recall

1375
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,079
we we were even going to go down a

1376
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,520
different highway because we came up

1377
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,440
through um

1378
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,359
i can't even remember the town we came

1379
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,520
up a different way so we weren't even

1380
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,359
planning on going down towards

1381
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,680
strawberry but we ended up at strawberry

1382
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:26,319
an hour's lost equipment wet

1383
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,160
so yes something followed us and or

1384
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,680
we traveled into something that we

1385
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,200
cannot explain

1386
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,160
that is wild man that's gnarly right

1387
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,160
right we're still like

1388
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,880
still trying to like piece together that

1389
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,359
little portion like what happened

1390
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,040
because we got good sleep i mean it

1391
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,520
wasn't like you know

1392
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,240
there was no drugs no alcohol we were we

1393
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,880
were wanting to be so focused when we

1394
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,160
were up there

1395
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,559
that like we made sure we got good sleep

1396
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,559
and so because we wanted to be at our

1397
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,760
sharpest

1398
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,920
and not even doing that not even with

1399
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,599
that preparation

1400
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:04,960
could

1401
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,240
trick that whatever that is

1402
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,480
and you mentioned uh something i wanted

1403
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,559
to mention is that yes the sensors that

1404
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,400
we have set up around there went off

1405
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,119
repeatedly i assumed it was you guys

1406
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:20,000
but something i didn't tell you and this

1407
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,200
is uh

1408
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,680
odd is that

1409
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,920
just a few days earlier uh cattle

1410
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,240
mutilation had taken place near this

1411
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:30,559
particular bend of the road

1412
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,720
and um it was a young calf uh who had

1413
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,160
been drained of blood and slit

1414
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,160
surgically along the belly

1415
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:41,440
and this this happens a lot so for you

1416
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:45,040
know there is kind of a dangerous

1417
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:46,240
angle

1418
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,520
to

1419
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,119
you know those that are just interested

1420
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,880
in jumping out there camping wherever

1421
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,720
doing what no

1422
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,680
yeah

1423
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,680
there's a dangerous angle you know we

1424
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,440
don't know what some of these things

1425
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,280
we're dealing with are and what they

1426
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,680
might eventually lead up to

1427
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,640
and

1428
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,720
there at the base camp

1429
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:06,800
at spacewolf research

1430
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,319
it a lot like other properties nearby it

1431
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:12,640
sat abandoned for many years

1432
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,440
and

1433
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:14,960
during one of those

1434
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,599
times when it was abandoned

1435
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,079
i don't know if you've heard of another

1436
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,480
researcher named april slaughter i know

1437
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,200
of three people who were with her

1438
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,079
who claimed to have had well basically

1439
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,720
all three of them had surgical implants

1440
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,559
put in their nostrils and it was at

1441
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,480
space wolf research

1442
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,680
what the whoa okay hold on for one

1443
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,359
second

1444
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,520
i have

1445
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,000
on my right bicep

1446
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,200
two holes and i i will send this to you

1447
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,839
i thought i got bit by something

1448
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,280
i have two

1449
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,480
holes

1450
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,520
that

1451
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,079
are about the size of bb's in my bicep

1452
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,440
that i did not have prior to going onto

1453
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,079
the property but are here now

1454
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,720
and i can't explain them they're they're

1455
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,599
now scarred but they're you can tell

1456
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,480
they're very rare red so they're new

1457
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,960
a huge i did not know that

1458
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:15,359
that freaks me the

1459
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,319
whoa

1460
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,200
yeah these i mean i have the medical

1461
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,920
records to back they they are backing up

1462
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,440
their stories

1463
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,680
one particular gentleman

1464
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,559
he actually um

1465
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,040
again they all claim to have had these

1466
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,720
implants in their nostrils and one

1467
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,720
particular gentleman died of brain

1468
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,319
cancer so

1469
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,880
oh my gosh and and that you know i

1470
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,799
didn't find that out to the best of my

1471
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,640
knowledge until after i purchased the

1472
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,640
property i was always intrigued by their

1473
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,319
story i remember

1474
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,799
yeah super spooky kind of came full

1475
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,880
circle and bit me in the butt because i

1476
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,960
didn't know it took place there

1477
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,599
so but that's not uncommon yeah man this

1478
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,240
is very strange that you have i need to

1479
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,240
send you these pictures in and you tell

1480
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,880
me like i can't explain it but now i'll

1481
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,520
tell you what as soon as this calls over

1482
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,920
i'm gonna go get an x-ray because i'm

1483
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,400
curious because it's they're bigger than

1484
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:12,559
spider bites

1485
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,440
they're

1486
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,359
right next to each it's like i don't

1487
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,720
know i don't know how to explain it but

1488
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,200
now that you're saying that

1489
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:20,799
what the

1490
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,359
uh that's weird dude yeah man okay now

1491
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,880
as we wrap up i know we're getting

1492
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,559
towards the end here as we wrap up we're

1493
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:30,400
probably going over a little but

1494
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,680
you mentioned um like a wispy black mist

1495
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,920
during parts of the time

1496
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,160
and there's a special metaphysical

1497
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,240
connection that

1498
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:42,640
the native american lore has suggested

1499
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:46,400
for a long time discussing exactly that

1500
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:47,280
did

1501
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,599
misty and and was it happening at

1502
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,079
strange times

1503
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,079
it was always happening

1504
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:58,160
before

1505
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,520
rocks

1506
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,000
were happening so let's let's we were up

1507
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,480
until probably four in the morning uh

1508
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,319
that first friday

1509
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,680
um

1510
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,119
they would happen at different parts of

1511
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,839
the property the best way i can explain

1512
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,319
it is it like

1513
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,960
it sounds so weird like

1514
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:18,720
uh

1515
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:22,160
kind of like a smoke but black but

1516
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,200
not

1517
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,440
like smoke it almost has like a texture

1518
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,880
that

1519
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,200
uh you know how cotton candy

1520
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,200
is a weird like texture like have you

1521
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,680
ever seen cotton candy being made yes

1522
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:37,440
and it just blows this weird wispy

1523
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:38,559
content

1524
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,280
imagine that being black but manifesting

1525
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,920
from the ground into about a four to

1526
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,000
five foot

1527
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,000
uh tall mass

1528
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,440
but then with like whisping into

1529
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,799
nothing

1530
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,880
so it was it it had

1531
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,559
form to it

1532
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,119
it didn't look like smoke so you could

1533
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,640
you could see through it but you could

1534
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:05,040
tell it was kind of like uh

1535
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:06,160
i just

1536
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:07,040
i

1537
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,839
float around and

1538
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,000
manifest and shape like shift into

1539
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,880
different things but then

1540
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,200
just dissipate into nothing at the same

1541
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,200
time man

1542
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,520
it would take a take a form

1543
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,799
enough to where you could see it and

1544
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:28,960
then as soon as you almost identified it

1545
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,680
and

1546
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,240
acknowledged it it would

1547
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,319
kind of like dissipate into something

1548
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,920
else or go somewhere else and then you'd

1549
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:38,160
see it in a different part so

1550
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,280
i don't

1551
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,520
know how to explain that i've never seen

1552
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,000
anything like that so forgive my

1553
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:46,160
my attempt

1554
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:47,040
but

1555
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,720
i unbelievable like you wouldn't

1556
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:53,040
you wouldn't believe it unless you saw

1557
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:53,680
it

1558
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,119
i've ever

1559
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,079
seen or experienced and all of us saw it

1560
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:06,160
and it's weird because sometimes one

1561
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,359
would see it

1562
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:09,200
we'd pull our attention

1563
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,480
and then no one else would see it and

1564
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,480
they're like well now it's gone

1565
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,319
so was it

1566
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,799
playing to a particular person at a

1567
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:18,400
particular time

1568
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,599
but then there was times that we would

1569
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:21,359
all see it

1570
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:22,240
wow

1571
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,440
man you know

1572
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:26,000
do they have a name for that the native

1573
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,760
americans is there a

1574
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,040
name

1575
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:31,280
well yes and

1576
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,839
it is it goes uh into this this lore of

1577
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,079
the trickster and uh

1578
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,839
practitioners of the witchery way

1579
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,160
becoming these shape-shifting

1580
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,480
witches of the night and but you know

1581
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,400
every culture even the middle eastern

1582
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,720
culture you know describes the gin in a

1583
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,640
very similar way these shape shifters

1584
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,160
that can just kind of manifest from

1585
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,559
nothing and then d manifest

1586
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,920
right and there you go it curiously man

1587
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,720
curiously resembles so many things that

1588
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,839
i i i'll have to get into another time

1589
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,400
but okay you've uh man you've you've

1590
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,559
shared such intimate and intriguing

1591
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:10,880
glimpses into your research

1592
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,520
and uh your own adventures

1593
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,760
let's tell the listeners one more time

1594
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,520
where they can follow paranoises how

1595
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,280
they can follow what you have going on

1596
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:21,280
and stay in touch with you

1597
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,559
uh i would say just paranosis.com and

1598
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,040
then any social media we're just we're

1599
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:28,960
paranosis um

1600
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,599
and i wanna i wanna leave on this note

1601
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:33,920
if we're okay with that

1602
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,119
thank you ryan and thank spacewolf

1603
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,400
research

1604
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,280
uh for allowing this to happen

1605
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,680
um and for anybody listening

1606
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:46,079
go through the right

1607
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,799
channels if you're ever up there don't

1608
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,280
just take it upon yourself to go

1609
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,839
pull off respect

1610
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,559
people's property and respect the fact

1611
01:01:05,349 --> 01:00:58,160
that

1612
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,359
unexplainable so proceed with caution

1613
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:07,839
but always get permission and always go

1614
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,000
through the right channels it's worth

1615
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,160
your safety and

1616
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,839
like i said it's we don't know what

1617
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,520
we're dealing with so

1618
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,240
it's for your own good

1619
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,720
don't just go up there and say hey

1620
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:22,000
here i am

1621
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,559
because you will i i i yeah i'm just

1622
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,400
gonna leave it at that

1623
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,720
just don't do it perfectly explained

1624
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,799
brother and thank you so much for coming

1625
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,040
on you're a master of your craft and i

1626
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,440
always love talking to you and uh can't

1627
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,880
wait to have you back

1628
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,200
talk again sometime again thank you so

1629
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,440
much i appreciate everything

1630
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,760
man oh man what a great conversation

1631
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:47,760
what a great guy master hypnotist

1632
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,200
paranormal investigator vincent lourdes

1633
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,280
he's still mystifying

1634
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,079
everybody with his research his depth of

1635
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,200
knowledge of the human mind he is a true

1636
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,200
asset to the paranormal community and

1637
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:03,520
research in general definitely follow

1638
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,920
paragnosis and everything they have

1639
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,280
going on

1640
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:09,599
and i can't stress enough that many of

1641
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:12,880
these areas in these liminal spaces have

1642
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:16,000
a lot going on and there are security

1643
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,119
dangers

1644
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,839
there are uh very real paranormal

1645
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,920
dangers and things that just can't be

1646
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,359
explained

1647
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,200
thank you for listening and if you want

1648
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,440
more of hero paranormal podcasts

1649
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:30,000
definitely go to patreon and become a

1650
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,119
supporter

1651
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:33,599
subscribing on patreon helps us produce

1652
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,799
the podcast and just kind of helps us

1653
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,960
break even so we're not coming out of

1654
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,119
pocket for everything thank you for

1655
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:43,280
listening and until next time keep your

1656
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:46,000
eyes to the skies feet on the ground but

1657
01:03:14,950 --> 01:02:54,510
[Applause]